Posts by Sea Breeze

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Why do Anti-Jws refuse to answer questions- and ignore our answers?

by DoubtingThomas in

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denial..

Sea Breeze

he had his 'memorial' with his apostles, not his many disciples.

That does not show how a person can get there sins forgiven while outside of the new covenant does it? It is also VERY lame reasoning. By this reasoning, only his apostles could get their sins forgiven and they were apostates for later inviting others to get their sins forgiven too!

The fact is that after Jesus showed them how to do it, the apostles obediently led everyone else to enter into this agreement "for the forgiveness of sins" as well. Christians have been doing this for 2000 years. This agreement is literally what makes them "Christian" .... which means "little christ"

Is this your ONLY reason for personally rejecting the new covenant "for the forgiveness of sins"?

Don't you think it odd that after reading the bible all the way through several times, you still don't know how to get your sins forgiven?

So again, where is the scripture that says you can get your sins forgiven while outside of the New Covenant "for the forgiveness of sins"?

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Why do Anti-Jws refuse to answer questions- and ignore our answers?

by DoubtingThomas in

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denial..

Sea Breeze

DT, you are providing an answer to the wrong question. The demons believe in Jesus too.... are they saved? Of course not.

I'm still waiting for you to provide a scripture that shows how you can get your sins forgiven outside of the New Covenant...... surely there must be one. Surely you wouldn't base your eternal future on a position that has zero scriptural support would you?

So, no you still haven't answered my question. which is a fair question.

And taking a cup, he offered thanks and gave it to them, saying: “Drink out of it, all of you, for this means my ‘blood of the covenant,’ which is to be poured out in behalf of many for forgiveness of sins.

You are suggesting that there is some way to avoid condemnation while at the same time personally rejecting the New Covenant "for the forgiveness of sins". Where is your scriptural support?

Jehovah's Witnesses are historically known to go to extreme measures to keep from answering this simple question..... just as you have. They will abandon children, grand children, parents and take other extreme measures to keep from being made to feel uncomfortable in their rebellion against Christ.

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber......I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved - John 10

Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is NONE of his.” - Roman 8: 9

So again, where is the scripture that says you can get your sins forgiven while outside of the New Covenant "for the forgiveness of sins"?

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Why do Anti-Jws refuse to answer questions- and ignore our answers?

by DoubtingThomas in

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friends

denial..

Sea Breeze

SB- you may have a reading disorder; I've ANSWERED yours.

No you haven't. More gas-lighting. That is so abusive to others.

For the umpteenth time:

Since you reject the New Covenant "for the forgiveness of sins" as offered in Mt. 26: 27-28 by personally refusing the bread and wine (which IS the New Covenant)...

How do you get your sins forgiven outside of the New Covenant?

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Why do Anti-Jws refuse to answer questions- and ignore our answers?

by DoubtingThomas in

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friends

denial..

Sea Breeze

Understanding JW behavior patterns in only 6 seconds:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4qUEoVfBKQ&ab_channel=firelily234

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Why do Anti-Jws refuse to answer questions- and ignore our answers?

by DoubtingThomas in

jw
friends

denial..

Sea Breeze

Stop Gas Lighting DT. All of your questions have been answered, but it is YOU who keep running away from answering basic questions about your belief.

Like Here.

And Here.

So are you ever going to answer?

Here are some other JW's that had a hard time with the same questions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqwH_USEzpU&ab_channel=BibleReady

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Can you be a JW who does not have the GB as their leader?

by DoubtingThomas in

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i am.. they are just fellow brothers, old and getting senile.... but enlightened, despite all the whining.....

Sea Breeze

Ha!

Why is it so hard for you to admit that you don't have one single, solitary scripture to back up your adherence to a view formulated and promoted by men you have already rejected?

Do you think that is wise?

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Can you be a JW who does not have the GB as their leader?

by DoubtingThomas in

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friends

i am.. they are just fellow brothers, old and getting senile.... but enlightened, despite all the whining.....

Sea Breeze

DT, I'm a dude bubba.

Sea Breeze doesn't believe Jesus ever died

Wrong, never said that.

I'm still waiting for you to provide a scripture that shows how you can get your sins forgiven outside of the New Covenant...... surely there must be one. How else can we explain your total adherence to your view without a SINGLE scripture to back up your belief. Right?

So where is that scripture that shows how you can get your sins forgiven without the NC. I have my bible handly ready to look it up.

Surely, you wouldn't base your entire eternal future on a bunch of men you have already determined to be buffoons would you?

Now, how 'bout that scripture?

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Can you be a JW who does not have the GB as their leader?

by DoubtingThomas in

jw
friends

i am.. they are just fellow brothers, old and getting senile.... but enlightened, despite all the whining.....

Sea Breeze

But, you are correct, "the blood", the sacrifice Jesus made covers our sins. I have never met a brother or a sister that doesn't believe that.

The value of the blood covering is ONLY accessible through the New Covenant - Read it again:

And taking a cup, he offered thanks and gave it to them, saying: “Drink out of it, all of you, for this means my ‘blood of the covenant,’ which is to be poured out in behalf of many for forgiveness of sins.

JW's live a life of total rebellion against the authority of Christ. There is simply no way to apply the blood covering without entering into this agreement. Many people (not just JW's) have made the mistake of going through their church affiliation (or some other way) to get access. But a person must do business directly with Jesus.

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber......I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved - John 10

Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is NONE of his.” - Roman 8: 9

It is a complete deception that imagines that a person can be friends with Jesus by disobeying his commands to get their sins forgiven as prescribed in Mt. 26: 27-28

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Can you be a JW who does not have the GB as their leader?

by DoubtingThomas in

jw
friends

i am.. they are just fellow brothers, old and getting senile.... but enlightened, despite all the whining.....

Sea Breeze

DT, you don't have to go to church to get your sins forgiven. I conducted 8 to 10 bible studies every month as a regular pioneer. I was an expert on WT doctrines. I would come in contact with Christians in the door to door work and many would invariably ignore my intro and ask me if Jesus was my personal savior. I and my JW friends would mock them as being self centered, sappy & we couldn't understand why they were so hung up on this "personal savior" thing.

Years later I read Hebrews 9: 27 where it says "it is appointed unto man once to die, and then judgement".

Then I suddenly understood why all those householders wanted to know if I had a personal savior. It was because they knew that there was going to be a personal judgement.

The WT tries to pretend that they have a corporate contract with God like the Israelites did in the OT. They imagine that all you have to do is get into the modern day "ark".

Israel had a national contract with God through Moses as their mediator.... but it only guaranteed the survival of the nation as a whole. The NT contract in Mt. 26: 27-28 is a personal contract (better terms with better promises) that guarantees the forgiveness of sins. It is a blood covenant in the fullest sense of the term... to the death of both parties. There are only two names on the contract.... Jesus and the believer.

Jesus isn't saving nations, churches or organizations with his contract offer. It is offered to individuals. It is the only offer anybody will ever get for the forgiveness of sins, whether they live in the Church Age now, or later in the Millennium. The future location of the individual has nothing to do with it.

Your good works won't save you , your church won't save you, and you can't save yourself. Only the blood of Jesus can save. Just as the original Passover night required a blood covering over the door header.... since Calvary we must be under the blood to be saved FROM JUDGEMENT.

There are three scriptures you will never hear read at the KH. I have already presented you with two of them. The third is this:

Is. 64:6 "all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags"

Notice that it is not your sins that are filthy, but your righteousness. Paul backs this up with the statement, "there is no no righteous, no not one".

If you still disagree... then WHAT will save you in place of the New Covenant "for the forgiveness of sins"?

What say you?

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Can you be a JW who does not have the GB as their leader?

by DoubtingThomas in

jw
friends

i am.. they are just fellow brothers, old and getting senile.... but enlightened, despite all the whining.....

Sea Breeze

Me: DT, are you saying that you personally claim membership in the New Covenant and partake of the bread and wine?

DT: No. I will not be going to heaven.

Me: Mt. 26: 27&28 CLEARLLY states what the new covenant is for : FORGIVENESS OF SINS. It doesn't say anything about going to heaven. That is Watchtower misdirection.

Read it for yourself:

Mt. 26: 27-28 27And taking a cup, he offered thanks and gave it to them, saying: “Drink out of it, all of you, for this means my ‘blood of the covenant, which is to be poured out in behalf of many for forgiveness of sins. - NWT

So, millions of Christians would like to know this: If you personally reject the new covenant for the forgiveness of sins, how do you get your sins forgiven?